L4C Advance Workshop for Community Media

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Please use this page for any questions and/or comments you may have throughout the course. Just click on edit and add your feedback. You are welcome to answer the questions posed by your peers. Thank You!

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  • This includes links to other folks' User Pages. It will be much easier for others to see exactly what you mean, and collaborate. For example, at the end of the course, I would like each of you to consider a Pilot Project in your community or organization. --Randy Fisher 16:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)}}


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Your Comments / Feedback Below...

  • Well, the HIV/AIDS treatment page was of personal interest to me. I think this must always be important in terms of educating people.Pages with highest view was content. i could probably use/modify the Technology page. Although it's somewhat tedious to go through, the History page has a good way of tracking you OWN edits. One can see how a paper has developed as well as the folks contributing to its change/evolution. These same folks can come in VERY handy for future projects.viewing recent changes seems confusing and overwhelming but its actually straightforward.i learned about Anil Prasad from India. i am surprised that more people haven't added comments here! where are u people!! - User:Rouvdi

HIV /AIDS Treatment Literacy

    • (1) I have let Gurmit Singh know that you are interested in the page on HIV /AIDS Treatment Literacy. He'll be responding here shortly; (2) That's a good insight about how to connect with folks after the fact, in line with their interest, and the revision history. In fact, I'd go one step further, and say that if they're from a particular institution, then the chances of a formal or informal collaboration (or a pilot project to get things rolling, could go up significantly. WikiEducator is very interested in supporting these kinds of projects, as it helps us achieve our objective of a free and open education curriculum by 2015. It does seem confusing at first, I understand....but the more you do the wiki, the easier it gets. It's a skill like anything else. Regarding folks getting in touch here, I'm thinking that many folks are 'behind' and they're just not where you're at right now... WE understand that everyone learns at their own pace. In today's instructions, I recommend that you join the main WikiEd discussion group, and the Community Media one....you'll find that there is a fairly rapid response rate and interactivity. --Randy Fisher 22:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I am absolutely loving the flow and complexity (yet simplicity) of WE. My mind is swirling with ideas that WE can provide to my need. Hope I can control this SWIRLING. I have been a bit delinquent so THANKS for that "SPARE DAY". I do some catch-up later.

--Rouvdi 16:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I've received feedback from others that they have really appreciated the "Spare Day". This 'rest and reflection' is essential for learning and retention. Regarding your comment about trying to 'control the swirling, I encourage you to try to suspend that impulse. (I've addressed The Control Paradox and Paradigm Shift in my recently-completed Master's project paper (Phase I). On the wiki, when you give up control, you gain far more power and influence, and control!! As you complete the workshop, please think about a Pilot Project where you can apply some of your learning to a tangible requirement. Please don't hesitate to contact me, throughout or after the course, so we an talk about steps along the path, including engaging others... Randy Fisher 21:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Finding the structure of this course and the instructor's very helpful to me. The class wiki that I tried a few months ago seemed to start off all right with the students adding their pages and comments. But this is helping me to see how I can use a wiki better for my classes starting in February 2009 by giving the students more guidance.--0woldham8 17:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Great feedback Dirk (I hope you'll be using WikiEducator <smile>. I am going to invite Nellie Deutsch who is one of our facilitators, and has considerable expertise running classes on WikiEducator. She's an incredible resource. --Randy Fisher 18:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Randy. Please feel free to go into the EL4C15 feedback page of the online L4C course Patricia and I co-facilitated in November to learn from other participants. Instructors can learn quite a bit from taking online courses to get the sense what it feels like to be a student. A feedback/reflection page is an excellent way to learn. --Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch 20:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Interesting to date - not seeing too many people on yet, but I am seeing my UTT colleagues. Good that they got the email! Triniwebdiva 01:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
--Randy Fisher 01:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
  • This workshop is so much fun. I am enjoying every bit of it Malisa Richards 13:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Glad to hear Malisa. I am very pleased that you are learning these skills, and taking your learning to the next level. --Randy Fisher 18:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Getting Lost

  • I am struggling a little because I get lost going deeper into links here and there. Definitely I am learning, although I am still trying to figure out how to insert a picture --Esperanzaluengo 19:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Esperanza... thanks for sharing....yes, I understand it's a bit of a struggle....please keep the faith... In the wiki, you master one thing, and then try something else, and it's a bit harder, until you get it...and the cycle continues.... Please reply to this post, and insert a copy of the page URL that you're having trouble with. I will help you with this. You're doing great! --Randy Fisher 19:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Esperanza - one thing that helps me a LOT is to bookmark some of the main pages, so that I can use the browser bookmarks to navigate quickly to a particular page in the wiki. Otherwise I find myself clicking and clicking and clicking to get somewhere. Maybe this can work for you. --Triniwebdiva 01:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I've been checking out the participants, and there are LOADS from my Uni, but unfortunately most people haven't submitted their username, so I haven't been able to check out their pages. I did check out Dirk and Esperanza, two of my colleagues from UTT. Triniwebdiva 01:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there - yes, you're right. WE can't force people to do what we ask, but gently try to persuade them. I've set up a 'rest day' to give folks a chance to catch up....Maybe that will help. If you go to the actual Participants page, you're welcome to find the folks you want to speak with, and send them an introductory email...even the folks in Trinidad and Tobago. Would that make sense for you? Randy Fisher 02:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Njuki G., from Kenya

  • Thanks for this course. My name is Njuki Githethwa, from Nairobi, Kenya. Every new page that I open is an exploration into new areas and thoughts that I had not heard of before. Knowning about Mr. Lessing, The Creative Commons, Free Culture, and even a little more about Randy, by simply following the links is opening quite interesting areas to me. I have interests in joining and building social movements -this is definitely a social movement that I'm now on board. However, following up this links is taking most of my time and leaving little time to learn how to operate a wiki. But I'm confident I will eventually get there. A short story why I'm happy for all this: last year, 2007, my home town called Nanyuki on the Equator in Kenya was celebrating 100 years since it was "found". I wanted to write about that. I went to Wikipedia to search more information about the town. There was plenty of it, but warranted some corrections and additions. A colleague informed me that I can edit the article and the images on the wikipedia. I didn't. Couldn't. Thought it was a mystery. Now I can and will edit where I can, and contribute the OER's I can. As it has been said elsewhere, "the sin in a desert is knowing where the water is and not telling anyone else about it". Thanks colleagues. --- User:Njuki G
  • Hi Randy. I have added my username to the list of participants, but unable to provide a link as the others have done. Please advise. Njuki G.
Hi Njuki, Yes, I was notified of the problem, and fixed it. I think you probably went directly into the page, and put in the text! :-) Actually, this was a page, where there was a template, that in a way, does it automatically. No worries....I'm glad you have done so, and I have had a chance to fix this. It has also given me an idea to modify the course a bit. What I'm thinking is, that it takes several days for folks to register their UserNames.....and I'm thinking that the 'network with your peers portion, should be later in the course....when more folks are actually registered, using the User Names function. What do you think? --Randy Fisher 16:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Randy, I have been working through the pages to keep up with my commitment. It has been great even though i get lost going from one place to the other, but that's OK. I have some doubts when it comes to the terms like "sandbox" and "providing feedback" sometimes I do not know if I'm in the correct page. Are there different 'feedback' pages. Like for example right know I'm providing you with my feedback but, when I move to another page I do not know how to come back to this one. Are there some hints that you can provide. Thanks Aracelis --Vasquesa 00:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

(1) For this course, there is one Feedback page on the course. However, you raise an interesting point, because there is the possibility of DISCUSSIONS for every page in the wiki (if you go up near to the "edit" tab, there is also a tab for "discussion", of your comments, relevant to a particular page; (2) I have an idea, so that you don't get lost....and it's right from your comments - please tell me if this works....what if I place a link to the course materials at the bottom of your User Page - would that help you NOT get lost? --Randy Fisher 00:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I think it would be great at least for now. And thanks for the modifications on my user page about having the picture in the 'skills training area'. It wouldn't occur to me. Not yet. Aracelis --Vasquesa 00:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)vasquesa

I am Feliciana Torres and would like to know whether I am on the right track. I have created a page for the preschool and am trying to combine the activities along with it. I really enjoy doing this activity and everyday I learn more. --Feliciana

Hi Feliciana - I've taken a look at your page, and YES, you are certainly on the right track. What might be helpful to you - and we'll be covering this in Day 4 - is thinking about a Pilot Project that you could apply your learning to, to create resources that will help you in your work environment. How is your OER Teaching Resource coming along? --Randy Fisher 15:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Hi Randy. Thanks for inserting my picture at the right place. I tried there but failed repeatedly. Please show me how it is done. I have also realised that I can edit the pages of my organisation, the information I had sent before and even add some other. What I'm now not able is to insert the link to the resources available. Please advise. User:Njuki_G
(1) Go to your User Page, and click the history tab at the top of the page. Then, Compare the version you've done, and the one I've done....(2) the link to resources - can you be more specific about this please? Randy Fisher 16:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

History / Revisions page

    • Hi Njuki - Here is the link to the Educational Resources on the EcoNews page. Do you want to create an internal link (i.e., link to another page in the wiki, with content); or an external link (i.e., a link to a page on another website, away from WikiEducator? Randy Fisher 21:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


      • Hello. Njuki again.The course work continues to be interesting and engrossing. Today is a Saturday, the holiday mood is with us, but learning a little more on the wiki skills takes priority. I have looked at Day 4 four activities, and as usual got lost in the very many knowledgeable links in an effort to further understand the concept and the philosophical underpinnings of the wiki movement. A useful quote from wikirandy: "the paradox of control is that you have to give up control to gain greater control" I have also learnt from that article that there are no "best practices" -our common phrase-only "useful practices" Thanks Randy. That journal article for your MA - "Primal Needs Gone Digital: Educators' Motivations in Collaborative Wiki Spaces is quite inspirational (please help to provide a link to it here, and show me how to do it). Activity 1: The pages that interest me most are those that deal with community media, community media content, sample community media workshops, workshop materials, community radio sustainability plans, financial and community, community media NGO's and community radio HIV/Aids Treatment literacy. Pages with the highest number of visitors and editors are incidentally some of those I have mentioned above. The one for community media content has the highest number, 201. And it is not difficult to know why: It cointains much of the valuable information on the wikieducator concept and resources. Community Media follows, perhaps because it is a curious area and many want to know about it and do some research. HIV/AID's Treatment literacy is also tops, as colleagues explore a variety of multimedia strategies to cointain this pademic which has defied cure. Pages I would like to use, modify or localise are those dealing with the areas I have mentioned above. -- User:Njuki G
        • Hi Njuki - thanks for your effort in identifying the pages of interest to you. As both the course facilitator, and in my community-building role with the Community Media media node, it really helps to know what catches the trainer's eye. This was our initial purpose on the Community Media space - to create a place where community media professionals could find content, and localise it for their, er your particular purpose, without having to reinvent the wheel all the time. We've been able to make innovations - like the scripting for the statistics, that you've commented on....and also respond to the group's feedback, to make a more welcoming community, as well as resources that are helpful to you. Over time, more of the 'load' will be taken on by community media practitioners such as yourself (there are many more of you than there are of me and Ian) - because if you use it, it will grow, and attract others.... The statistics page is also a neat way of finding out what is going on in the wiki - it's a ready link on every page. Regarding your interest in HIV AIDS and multimedia, I encourage you to bring this up, in your feedback on the HIV AIDS Portal. You will be receiving an email from myself and Gurmit Singh shortly.... but here is the link to the Feedback. I'm gldad you've had a good experience here.... looking forward to the next steps! Randy Fisher 22:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks Randy for inserting the link. I have seen how you have done it. Will try on my own soon. Just a question? On the pages on Community Resources, I learn about the Commonwealth Computer Navigator's Certificate, and wonder whether it is a course with a facilitator, like what you are doing here and whether there is a certificate at the end, etc. etc. Thanks. --User:Njuki G
    • Hi Njuki - Thanks for your feedback.... I'll try to respond later today... I really appreciate your comments about my MA Paper, and I am glad that it has stimulated further learning and reflection. As I am facilitating this workshop, I am making notes of the feedback, and immediately improving it. For example, in Day 3, I have now explicitly developed a section for The Paradox of Control and a Paradigm Shift, and developed a learning activity around it. Very cool. Regarding the Commonwealth Computer Navigators' Certificate, I will check on it for you. Randy Fisher 15:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC) (please do sign your name after your messages - it helps folks get in touch with you later.... you can use the signature button, or it is 4 tilde marks "~)
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