Talk:Creative Commons unplugged/Introduction

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Video 1 and Video 2114:48, 3 July 2012
Use of CC as abbreviation for Creative Commons212:19, 19 January 2011
Requiring microblog post1111:28, 6 January 2011
Suggestion to move introductory text405:55, 1 January 2011
Libre Videos and Free File Formats121:54, 22 December 2010

Video 1 and Video 2

Are they different? The download link in a libre file format is the same for both.

KTucker (talk)12:30, 3 July 2012

That's an error Kim -- thanks.

Will fix when I get time. Some of the vids are linked to non-free format downloads. If you have any time to spare would appreciate if you could convert, upload to the Commons and fix the links :-)

Mackiwg (talk)14:48, 3 July 2012

Use of CC as abbreviation for Creative Commons

We begin to use CC as an abbreviation for Creative Commons on the second page of this module. We use CC at times, but not in every instance. I think we should have a consistent approach to the use of the abbreviation. It seems to me a good idea to get the learners used to seeing the abbreviation and I like the idea of beginning use of CC on the second page. Here are a few options for how we could use it consistently:

  1. Use in place of full name in all instances, following introduction.
  2. Use only when followed by the words license or licenses (note that this includes headings).
  3. Use only when referencing a specific license, e.g., CC-BY.

My opinion on this issue is that we go with either 2 or 3, or some other limited use. When referencing the Creative Commons institution, I think we should use the full name.


ASnieckus (talk)15:24, 14 January 2011

My personal preference is for instances 2 and 3 above.

On the second page and subsequent pages of the tutorial, I suggest that we include a <ref> to the word" Creative Commons - linked to the CC website for the first time CC appears on the respective page. Many users may visit a sub-page of a tutorial without going to the home page.

Agreed - -full name for the institution.

Mackiwg (talk)16:09, 14 January 2011

OK, I will go ahead with making some changes to implement consistent use of CC abbreviation, and will create a reference to the words "Creative Commons" externally linked to the CC website.


ASnieckus (talk)12:19, 19 January 2011

Requiring microblog post

I'm wondering about the requirement in step 2 of the activity to post a comment to twitter or A couple thoughts:

  1. I'm not sure requiring participants to post is what you intend: "You are required to post...." I suggest deleting "You are required to" and begin the sentence with "Post...."
  1. Why twitter or Will this be something that's discussed earlier? Is it integral to the learning environment? Although I'm somewhat familiar with what these technologies do, I don't have an account with either (which I'm guessing I would need to post) and I'd guess that the great majority of my educator friends also do not have an account. Personally speaking, if I came upon this step in a tutorial, I would skip it. How do we see this content being implemented? For example, if this course will be implemented along with membership in an LMS, then having participants post to the LMS discussion formum might be preferable. Just some thoughts for consideration.


ASnieckus (talk)15:41, 30 December 2010

Hi Alison,

  • I agree with the deletion of "You are required to" as suggested.

Regarding the microblogging posts -- the intention is to develop a resource on how to create a micro-blog account with a few instructions on how to post and how this works. We will set this up as a pre-workshop activity. I think you're right -- the majority of educators will not have a micro-blog account -- so we need to address this. Also, the idea is to harvest rss feeds of all the posts as a stream of "digital conscienceless" which will be aggregated with live updates as the course proceeds. We are designing the course for large numbers of participants for each sitting -- about 500 or more per course. So we need to be careful with email notifications if we go with an LMS discussion forum. Would prefer to avoid complaints on receiving 500 emails. Also -- I need to confer with Jim -- we may decide to just use (open source) which gives us more flexibility to embed live group streams of micro-blog posts.

Still need to think about the final implementation -- work in progress :-).


Mackiwg (talk)16:49, 30 December 2010

Kind of a shame that doesn't recognize WikiEducator as an OpenID provider... that would eliminate a login there.

JimTittsler (talk)17:59, 30 December 2010

Hi Jim,

We can always ask ;-). Are you game for preparing a draft text for a letter to to recognise us as an OpenID provider? Happy to send a request on the OER Foundation letterhead.

Thoughts? BTW -- the email notifications on LQT are super cool!

Mackiwg (talk)18:45, 30 December 2010

Before going there we'd want to sort out SSL access to WikiEducator (which would be required by many/most OpenID consumers).

But I think we are talking about implementation, when I still don't understand the goal. Couldn't you just change microblog to microblog or blog and have users give you their preferred feed URL?

  • you could still amalgamate everything with a given tag
  • you would pick up users with blogs but not microblogs
  • everyone would be free to log in where they wished

(Personally, I'd prefer a mailing list... but it is probably my age.)

JimTittsler (talk)19:21, 30 December 2010

I like mailing lists too ;-)

Perhaps there is a way of combining a number of technologies to achieve the goals. Specifically -- I'm keen to find a solution which:

  • facilitates immediate student-student interactions, i.e. sharing thoughts and ideas as they progress through the materials. Something less onerous than drafting a blog post.
  • scales well -- think of 500 plus participants per course
  • is easy to aggregate a live feed of the tags
  • does not require a significant learning curve for newbies
  • does not require significant administration as set up on our end.

I was thinking of asking participants to create an account on and giving instructions to subscribe to a group set up for this initiative. Twitter users can link their accounts to their posts. We can also harvest the feeds from individual blogs users already use.

Let's have a chat and explore options -- still thinking ....


Mackiwg (talk)22:06, 30 December 2010

When making the change to #2 mentioned above, I made a number of other changes as well, in an effort to make the tasks clear and concise. Also, broke out the last number in the same way that 1 and 2 were separated.

Also, the light bulb images in the code do not display for me and there's no little box indicating something should display in this spot. This may be part of a larger issue for me (and others?) in that images sourced from other wm projects also do not display.

Lots of interesting ideas as to how to best integrate an interactive element. I'm sure that whatever way we choose to implement this at first, we can learn from the first sessions and rework as necessary.

Hmmm, another thought on how to include meaningful interaction for 500 participants is to implement something like the clicker tool used in large lecture-based courses. The participant responds and then is given aggregate information as to responses so far.


ASnieckus (talk)09:01, 31 December 2010

Re: light bulb images My first guess is that your browser doesn't render SVG images rather than it being an issue of the source of the image.

In the MOOC I participated in it seemed that many subgroups self-organized and you didn't actually end up following hundreds of blogs... which I suppose means there is some self-selection going on and only hearing what you want to.  :-)

JimTittsler (talk)10:00, 31 December 2010

The images are displaying for me.

Are you using IE? From recollection, IE does have issues with SVG. Yes -- WP confirms that IE doesn't support SVG. mmmmm -- may need to create alternate file formats copies replace all the svg's in the course :-( -- Just checked our data and 49% of users access WE using IE.

Will add this to the to do list.

Mackiwg (talk)10:41, 31 December 2010

re: light bulb images: I am using firefox running in Ubuntu. I also have Chrome loaded, so I checked and sure enough the images display.

Could it be some sort of setting in firefox?


ASnieckus (talk)05:51, 1 January 2011

Hi Jim,

I've been monitoring the discussions and reflections of the MOOC experiences, see for example George's post.

I think you're right -- I don't see large groups following hundreds of blogs. However, learners may visit a synchronous time stream of micro-blogs posts -- if something grabs them, they may click deeper and explore more posts.

This course is also more focused and much shorter (eg 1 hour per day over 5 working days.) -- so I am concerned about workload issues expecting learners to write reflective blog posts. Perhaps we can harvest a blog feed tag. In this scenario -- blog posts reflecting on the course would be optional. Somehow -- I think posting 140 characters, sharing thoughts and ideas is doable.

Been thinking -- would it be worth our effort to run a WE / OERF instance of StatusNet for courses like this? Not sure how easy it would be to hack a SSO for a local instance of Statusnet for WE account holders?

I imagine setting up a course homepage in the wiki (something similar to the course homepages. One of the boxes on the course homepage could fetch the !Group feed using the widget. This way learners only need to go to one place to view the current stream. However, I'm not sure if the user parameter of the widget will fetch a group account feed.

Just thinking out loud ...


Mackiwg (talk)11:02, 31 December 2010

This infrastructure discussion seems to have become bigger than a single course offering and a bit off-topic for this particular course. I've started a separate page that outlines the infrastructure that has been used in L4C courses and outlines some new pieces that might be used for this and future courses.

JimTittsler (talk)11:28, 6 January 2011

Suggestion to move introductory text

I suggest moving the introductory text in the Activity (up to the sentence "It's legal, and it's free.") to before the activity box. I interpret this text as general content, with the steps in the activity designed to support our understanding of these points.

I think the page will be more balanced with substantive content before and after the activity.


ASnieckus (talk)15:55, 30 December 2010

Hi Alison,

From an editing perspective -- I agree with moving introductory text to before the activity box. At the time is was a layout think trying to get the size of the box to work with the two video thumbnails -- was too tiered at the time to figure out a smarter layout that would work.

Go for it!

Mackiwg (talk)17:04, 30 December 2010

Hi Wayne,

I successfully moved the text to before the box. I think it works pretty well. I noticed that the videos are in the activity box on the next page, CC basics. That'd be my preference, but I didn't try it. Not sure I could get it to work: be matched up well and keep the numbering of the tasks.


ASnieckus (talk)09:40, 31 December 2010

I agree -- much better and the layout works.

In this instance I set up a table. Left column for the activity box and right column for the videos. You're right, later in the tutorial the videos are embedded in the activity box. Works well if there is only one video, but harder to get the layout working with two videos -- hence the table solution.

One option might be to use two separate activity boxes -- one for each video? Although I think the layout is OK as it stands.

Mackiwg (talk)10:32, 31 December 2010

I like it as one activity box. The side by side table layout seems to be the best compromise.


ASnieckus (talk)05:55, 1 January 2011

Libre Videos and Free File Formats

I see that those of us who respect freedom and choose libre software (including use of libre file formats which are not patent encumbered) are still second class citizens. To view the videos embedded it is necessary to install non-free plugins. The following presentation for the first video is more equitable:

Building on the Past - Justin Cone

Free content media streamed from Wikimedia Commons
Cc-by new1.svg

Download: .flv

Everyone one may see the video embedded. For users of non-free operating systems, Cortado (a free plugin for viewing free format videos) will typically auto-install.

The template used for this embedded video permits links to externally hosted files in non-free formats for the benefit of those whose freedom (to be free) is restricted by their institutions etc.

KTucker (talk)00:06, 22 December 2010

Hi Kim,

I agree entirely with open file formats and providing solutions for all users irrespective of their software choices.

I've requested numerous users of non-free software to test the Cortado plugin install on IE (particularly in scenarios where Educators do not have the freedom to install plug ins on desktops which are locked down.) I've not been able to find a workable solution yet. That said, it is hard for me to test this because I do not use non-free software myself and rely on others for feedback.

Ogv play's natively in Firefox without any issues. My concern is for Educators who do not have the freedom to install free software alternatives on their machines.

The OER Foundation is committed to finding a solution which will automatically convert videos server-side into free file formats, and automatically render the appropriate player depending on the browser visiting the WikiEducator site. However -- this requires funding. In the absence of donations and funding support to achieve these goals -- our hands are temporarily tied.


Mackiwg (talk)21:54, 22 December 2010