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CBP : Wish to join Community Building Project015:40, 6 March 2008
Communications between WikiFoundation Projects020:18, 14 December 2007
Touching base --100:07, 14 December 2007

CBP : Wish to join Community Building Project

Hi ! I have just joined the widieduation group last week. I am basically a profeissional social worker specialisaation in community organisation and have worked at grassroots level with indegenous / rural and urban communities. I am with the distance education for over 12 years now/ I would like to be a part of this group and contribute.

I would alos be happy to redesing this course and offer it as online course for my university in India. Please let me know about the possibility.


Dr. Chandrakant Puri (talk)15:40, 6 March 2008

Communications between WikiFoundation Projects

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Last edit: 20:18, 14 December 2007

Hi Randy,

Liquid Threads, eh? not bad, At least it keeps the threads of a conversation together. I should have edited 'Touching base' before moving it here, but it's my first time. Thank yu Eric.

The conversation below really is about "bringing the Comms to a head", which confused Wayne (not surprisingly), so let me explain. is the domain which aims to coord things across the WikiMediaFoundation's (WMF) Projects. You can check out all the "sister" Projects
at the link TOPage. To me, wikieducator is an aunty project. She's a very nice and patient aunty. (and I don't mean that negatively)

Perhaps a better description would be distant cousin -- Aunty assumes we have more life experience and we dont <smile>. That said as WMF board member I would welcome better COMs accross WMF projects --Wayne Mackintosh 17:44, 14 December 2007 (CET)
No Aunty is the right one. We call the ABC (BBC, CBC equivl) this, so culturally in the Anglo world, it's not too distant. She doesn't lie or cheat or just want to wrap advertising around content. Re: the comms. It's the same on so many other projects - build a library and forget explaining what an article means. I (and more importantly a few very bright geeks) have a cunning plan. We'll see what they have to say (hopefully).--Simonfj 21:18, 14 December 2007 (CET)

You'll find the Communication Projects Group off the index (on the left, in the "community" box). Before that yu might like to note the "Community and Communication" & "core issues and collaboration" Boxes, bottom of the main page. It took me 2 days to get orientated.

You should be aware that every WNF project requires a different account (log in). I won't digress at this time, other than to note that until different projects consider, and work through, how they share (something like) an OpenID, we're not going to see the kind of seamlessness they all want.

OpenID ... YES YES YES. I suspect that we will need to raise funding for this.
Maybe. Maybe not.

The problem WMF have is trying to coordinate (cross pollinate) between Projects. Our old ideas about co-ord things are a little off when you consider that e.g. this New user log is just for the English Wikipedia. 5 newbies/min. They do have a Welcoming Committee, who offer tutorials and cheat sheets. But the backlog all through is overwhelming. Perhaps this makes the most logical place for offering the Wikimasters tutorials, at least until they're translated.

To be fair -- Wikipedia has to manage this challenge at significant scale. It's not easy. Perhaps one approach would be to distribute these loads into national clusters? If you find any of WikiEds tutorials useful -- please use them. They're free content <smile>. I'd also like to explore collaboration with Wikipedians under the Learning4Content initiative -- if you have any ideas on this -- let us know. --Wayne Mackintosh 17:44, 14 December 2007 (CET)
significant scale Understatement is a wonderful thing. I continue to try and get my head around what WMF communities are doing and have done. Should take only another 50 years. Ta so much for the HP link. Give me some time. You're aware that OpenLearn is thanks to $5m from HP? I'd suggest (Randy?) might want to make a note on the Welcoming committee talk page re offering the Masters. Like always, it's up to a community and I've got so much outreaching to do at present.

Specifically, re: the communications, I'm suggested a forum. I just can't find or see a way for threads of conversations can take place so they don't have to be constantly repeated, so people from different projects can share an idea of what's going on easily, on different projects. I pointed to sitepoint, which is not perfect but might act as a bridge between projects and save the endless FAQ's, beneath the radar. It's not the tool it's the culture, and you'd have to spend more than a few hours on sitepoint to understand why its around No. 250 on the web . Something along these lines in OS, and well designed is required.

It might also help remote groups, some who host courses on various moodles like Openlearn to work through the best ways in which to collaborate.

Look I hope you don't Randy. I just can't do email (regularly) after living on forums and moodles. I just lose my thread, especially when having five way conversations about the same thing. One conversation above the radar helps outsiders get the gist of what's going on, and if they're interested they'll pipe in. The problem in the first instance is orientation, not lack of training.

OK. Enough. Let's hasten slowly, Xmas is coming and it's been a full year. I just wanted to touch base as the WMF should be comfortably in San Fran now, and they're starting to formalize the free for all that's inspired so many (including me). There are an awful lot of threads which have been coming together and are just about touching now. So if you can point me at any strategy doc for WE, please do. I type faster than I think.

And thanks for the first edit on the Open_Education_Declaration. Hopefully it'll be the first of many. regards, simonfj

Simonfj (talk)09:27, 14 December 2007

Touching base --

Hi Simonfj

Sorry about the short delay in response -- I've been on international mission.

  • Oops sorry hadn't update my message link to use the "Start a new discussion" link.

User:Simonfj wrote: <<Notice you're on the advisory board (AB) to the WMF, which hopefully means you've met Sue Gardner or will shortly.>>

  • Yip -- I have had the pleasure of meeting Sue Gardner at Wikimania 2007. I'm most impressed with the calibre of her leadership and she is an asset to the WMF community.

User:Simonfj wrote: <<Do you have a comms manager? I'm after someone like Sandy O from meta>>

  • At WE we do not yet have a "formal" Comms "manager". However we are looking at ways to establish a community based Comms team. Randy Fisher has been steering our community building initiatives thus far and it would be good to get in touch with Randy. He'd done some amazing work in helping the WE community to grow in meaningful ways.

User:Simonfj wrote: <<Im also interested in whether you have a syop/admin who is across the geek stuff (tools).>>

  • Yip, we have a few folk with "Geek" status in our community. Try --
    • User:BrentSimpson
    • User:Phsi
    • User:Kruhly

I try and help out where I can. Eloquence of course has guru status <smile> and he is on our Board and helps take the tough ICT decisions.

User:Simonfj wrote: << The primary problem is that every conversation is split between a users talk page and a (let's call them) mentor's. (admin in wikispeak). You can see it if you want to leave a message on my user page. I'll reply on yours and so we can be certain that no one will learn a bloody thing. (the bloody is optional).>>

  • Yip - communications can get confusing when folk reply on the User talk page (like me now :-)) when this should be part of a wider community discussion. Perhaps we should move these discussions to the Community Building Project page. Yeah -- I know it's hard to find <smile> -- we should be communicating better!

User:Simonfj wrote: <<So I can see where you're going with the Liquid threads. But I'm sure you have wider expectations than that if your on the WMF advisory.>>

  • Where is Liquid Threads (LQT) going -- I'm not sure -- the wider wiki community will decide. I don't see LQT as a substitute for communication technologies. Folk should use what works best for them. I see LQT as a neat tool which conflates the power of the wiki model (you can still edit a user's post) and the structure of a threaded discussion which many educators and newbies find easier to use.

User:Simonfj wrote: <<A starting point? Just click on the Communication Projects Group. This is the attempt to bring the Wikifoundation Projects comms to a head, so if you'd like to encourage the movement to include WE you might ask a comms person to put a flag in the sand on this page.>>

  • Not sure what you mean by bringing the Comms to a head -- but I'm typically supportive of initiatives which improve what we are collectively trying to do in an open and transparent way. I'll ask Randy to take a look. My personal vision -- which may not necessarily represent the WE community vision is for all the related Wikimedia projects working in the education sphere to come together and talk about the possibilities of how best to join forces in developing free knowledge for all.

User:Simonfj wrote: <<the [WMF] AB are going to see the need for a Forum as a wider approach to threads. So I'll point you at this one to ruminate on over Christmas. minus the ads of course.>>

Technologies which make it easier for us to communicate and work together are a good thing. Personally -- I don't see the AB's role as advising on operational and technological tools. From what I've seen VBulletin is a cool tool but is sadly a proprietary technology. The WMF is committed to using free software tools to support its work. This is the right thing to be doing and I wouldn't advocate otherwise. However, we should always look to the future and find ways of doing things better.

Mackiwg (talk)21:17, 13 December 2007

Simon, I'm looking for the communications projects group, and can't seem to find it ~ can you send me the direct link. Regarding the LQT, it's a bit, it seems I have a ton o' messages that I've got to scroll through, and pronounce 'read'. We can communicate by email or skype - wikirandy - is my moniker. What specifically do you have in mind, for the comm's manager? Where are you based?

Wikirandy (talk)21:42, 13 December 2007