OERu/Planning/MVP task force/Fourth meeting/Chat transcript first meeting

Chat transcript from Consultation Meeting held on 16 October 2018 at 11;00am (NZDT)

10:59:18	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Hello everyone! 11:00:03	 From adavis : Hi Rajiv: you just calling in? 11:00:21	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Hi Alan. Using my office computer to join this meeting. 11:00:23	 From dave : This is almost like watching the mega Brady Bunch (for those of you whose cultural recollection includes that...) 11:01:07	 From Adrian Stagg : Indeed. Not the type of feedback Wayne is looking for. :) 11:01:16	 From David Porter : Digital tattoo, you mean. 11:02:42	 From Adrian Stagg : All good Wayne, happy to be here. 11:06:45	 From David Porter : Slick 11:15:06	 From David Porter : What happens after interest is registered? 11:15:52	 From David Porter : Is there an “on-boarding process?” 11:16:11	 From sandrawills : Do universities get stats on how many are using their modules, if they click Start Learning? 11:17:11	 From David Porter : This is very gentle marketing. =;-} 11:17:31	 From dave : That's the idea David :) 11:22:39	 From David Porter : Welcome to SaaS economics. Good choice to host your own. OERu could go BIG. 11:23:41	 From David Porter : OSS, yaaay! 11:24:50	 From dave : By hosting our own Mautic (with about an hour of admin every month or two for me) our only cost is for the outgoing emails... which amounts to under $0.20/month for up to 50,000 emails using Amazons Simple Email Services. A good cost savings over the $500/month minimum for the Mautic-hosted service... 11:25:24	 From David Porter : Well done, OERu team. Good decisions like this are important to scaling. 11:25:50	 From Brian L. : Great to know OERu has the skills and capacity to self-host something like this. Huzzah Dave. 11:26:12	 From dave : It's worth noting that our Privacy documentation is available under a CC-By license, and any of you who might want to make use of/adapt it are welcome to do so! 11:27:43	 From dave : Thanks Brian - here're instructions if any of our partners want to do it too! :) https://tech.oeru.org/installing-mautic-php7-fpm-docker-nginx-and-mariadb-ubuntu-1604 11:27:52	 From David Porter : The stats re. demographics are congruent with a large marketing study we did in Ontario for all 45 universities/colleges. 11:28:01	 From sandrawills : Do we know what proportion of LIDA enrolments were Educational Designers checking it out 11:29:18	 From dave : Only a handful, Sandra, as far as I know... most were not specifically familiar with the OERu. 11:29:36	 From sandrawills : Excellent. Often the first time a course is run it will be EDs 11:30:17	 From David Porter : https://www.ecampusontario.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Market-Research-Report-online.pdf 11:30:35	 From Ishan : Thanks Dave for sharing the installation notes for Mautic. 11:30:37	 From Ryan Brunton : The reach of Oeru is unreal, so nice to see. Thanks for sharing. 11:32:42	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Wow. That’s a story worth sharing. 11:32:48	 From Ryan Brunton : https://mastodon.oeru.org/system/media_attachments/files/000/000/060/original/30d9619247653bf4.jpeg 11:33:02	 From David Porter : Entrepreneurial approach in Kerala. Like it. 11:33:04	 From Ryan Brunton : See image above! 11:33:04	 From Julie Lindsay : India and Bangladesh can be very mobilised for online learning - that’s great news 11:33:42	 From David Porter : Ryan posted it. 11:33:46	 From OonaghM : thank you 11:34:48	 From David Porter : This is cool. 11:35:21	 From David Porter : Intrapreneurship, Jim. 11:36:24	 From David Porter : Soulful 11:38:04	 From Ryan Brunton : Daves Blog Link - https://tech.oeru.org/blog?page=0 11:41:18	 From dave : https://tech.oeru.org/oeru-blog-feed-finder 11:43:05	 From dave : https://course.oeru.org/blog-feed-finder 11:46:52	 From OonaghM : yes please 11:46:54	 From Brian L. : https://cogdogblog.com/2018/06/better-magic-box/ 11:46:58	 From Adrian Stagg : This is all excellent, Dave. I can see applications for this well beyond the OERu. 11:48:20	 From David Porter : Our blog aggregator for faculty professional learning was also engineered by Alan Levine and our team — https://extend-domains.ecampusontario.ca 11:48:40	 From David Porter : We are just completing first research iteration. 11:50:24	 From Wayne Mackintosh : @David - Ontario extend is a world leading exemplar! 11:52:32	 From David Porter : It’s open source. Feel free to download all the bits. 11:56:09	 From sandrawills : That’ great thanks 11:57:20	 From David Porter : It will become our professional learning contribution to OERu, once we finish our next iteration. 11:58:08	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Really impressive work Dave. Thank you on behalf of all of us. 11:58:09	 From David Porter : OERu has demonstrated an amazing capacity to integrate OSS technologies fo4 collective good. 11:59:59	 From Julie Lindsay : Thanks everyone, I have to jump to another meeting. 12:01:15	 From dave : My pleasure, Rajiv :) - it's gratifying work, both technically, and because of the potential to really make the world a better place :) 12:03:16	 From Adrian Stagg : After using Kanboard for a short while, I'm rather keen on seeing it used more. Very powerful for planning, distributing activity, and reporting. 12:06:16	 From David Porter : I wonder whether an expedited path to authenticated achievement via a badging strategy might also be a viable alternative. A “last-mile” approach to competency that translates into work potential. 12:06:55	 From David Porter : Just saying… 12:07:56	 From David Porter : An alt approach might sidestep the entrenched credit transfer approach which may actually be… fading. 12:08:28	 From sandrawills : Sounds like a good debate for the 2018 meeting 12:09:04	 From David Porter : Indeed. 12:09:39	 From dave : Intriguing point, David... Interestingly, Creatly just got awarded a patent for digital badging (clearly, no one pointed out to the USPTO the extensive prior art from the open communities...). That may complicate things substantially. 12:09:41	 From adavis : I agree: the post-tranfer credit era. 12:10:32	 From David Porter : I was in the meeting with Creduly legal last week. It’s ugly. Just saying that an alt. Approach requires consideration, not just implied dissing. 12:11:41	 From David Porter : Credly *will* lose the prior art arguments just as Blackboard did previously. 12:12:04	 From dave : Oops - yeha, Credly is what I meant. 12:12:22	 From dave : Let's hope so, David, because they need to be taken down a few pegs. 12:12:42	 From dave : Yeah, not yeha :) 12:12:54	 From David Porter : I’m up for it. But as lan notes, post-credit transfer era is at hand. 12:12:58	 From David Porter : Alan 12:13:17	 From sandrawills : Great news re Proctor u - CSU has been piloting for nearly 4 years - I am sure they’d be happy to be involved 12:13:23	 From David Porter : This is great work, Wayne. 12:13:53	 From David Porter : We need to strat leap-frogging based on your thought leadership. Let’s do it, 12:14:04	 From David Porter : start 12:14:19	 From dave : Yup, David - we need not be bound by anachronism... 12:14:40	 From David Porter : Agreed. 12:14:44	 From Ishan : This is great work Wayne, I'll continue to put you in touch with heads of institutions in the Commonwealth. Let me know if you are looking for contacts in Africa. 12:14:50	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Will be keen to learn about how Proctor U can be used in concert with BC privacy legislation 12:14:51	 From sandrawills : Very keen to see use of proctoring for alternative innovative examination not just 3 hours of writing eg simulations instead? 12:15:16	 From Adrian Stagg : The credit transfer templates would be very much appreciated - it's a discussion that we're trying to have locally and 'mainstream' the idea. Prior work in the field helps imensely. 12:15:36	 From Brian L. : Rajiv - we did a fairly vigorous PIA. I think Dr. Bovis-Cnossen’s point on the voluntary nature of it is critical. 12:15:58	 From David Porter : As Ishan notes, the real opportunity may be outside “developed” structures. 12:16:01	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : That makes sense, thank you Brian. 12:16:17	 From Adrian Stagg : Brian - excuse my ignorance, but what is a PIA? 12:16:37	 From David Porter : Privacy impact assessment - Canadian reality 12:16:39	 From Brian L. : Sorry Adrian, I wondered as soon as I posted: “Privacy Impact Assessment” — 12:16:48	 From Adrian Stagg : Thanks, that's clearer now. 12:17:13	 From sandrawills : Jim, did you say we might be able to use ProctorU grant for trailing volunteer tutoring? 12:17:31	 From David Porter : Separating strategy from operations will be important going forward. 12:17:31	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : I have been thinking more about the potential of open pedagogy to support the network’s sustainability. Is this something that is on others’ radar? 12:17:55	 From Adrian Stagg : I'd be keen to see this reflected too, Rajiv. 12:18:14	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : E.g., to support small updates to course content. And much more of course. 12:18:47	 From Brian L. : Rajiv - always interested in that! So, like creating reflective activities to create iterative course development? 12:19:11	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Yes, I am currently building this into one of our micro-courses. 12:20:19	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : E.g., the micro-course includes formative quizzing, but students also construct new questions over the micro-course, which are then peer reviewed. The best questions get added to the formative quiz bank. 12:20:38	 From Brian L. : That sounds really promising. 12:20:59	 From dave : Rajiv, we're keen to work out a platform for consolidating (and making searchable and re-usable) a quiz question bank... 12:20:59	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : FOSS plugin for Moodle enables this without instructor grading. 12:21:19	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Also testing the TAO open source platform 12:21:29	 From dave : (aware of Moodle, but yeah, we've looked at TAO, too). 12:22:09	 From dave : (but, Rajiv, we need to revisit it, as it was a while ago that we looked... ) 12:22:50	 From ccnossen : Have to dash to another meeting. Looing forward to seeing folks next month. 12:27:09	 From uqwbeach : thanks Wayne & others - unfortunately I have to go. Incredible journey to date. bb 12:28:37	 From David Porter : Brilliant work by OERu over the past two years. Coming in after the “open hype” (MOOCs) is a great place to be. 12:32:04	 From sandrawills : Heaps of OERu progress. Thanks for the update Wayne. Will some of the stats and progress best be done via a glossy and out that people can take away to show others rather (or in addition to) a presentation. 12:32:10	 From Brian L. : Really impressive work across a range of activities. 12:32:31	 From sandrawills : sorry typo - hand out not and out!!! 12:32:35	 From David Porter : OERu is in the ascendancy. I like it. Bravo OERu team! 12:32:42	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Is anyone experimenting with open boundary courses at their institution? 12:32:45	 From u!magine CSU : Well done Wayne.. Looking forwa 12:33:17	 From u!magine CSU : Well done Wayne, looking forward to catching up with everyone in Port Macquarie! 12:33:29	 From sandrawills : Bye. Gotta go. 12:33:30	 From David Porter : Right on, Jim! 12:33:37	 From Rajiv Jhangiani : Thank you everyone. Really encouraged by this progress and looking forward to this meeting. 12:37:04	 From Ishan : Great work Wayne and team. It's exciting to see OERu gaining momentum as one of the proven models for sustainable OER movements. 12:37:57	 From David Porter : Sweet spot is “just slightly ahead of our time.” 12:38:04	 From Nerida (QUT) : Thanks Wayne. Apologies for late join. Very interesting. I am looking forward to attending the Partners meeting next month- and meeting you all. 12:38:13	 From dave : Indeed David :) 12:38:30	 From OonaghM : Thanks Wayne and colleagues 12:38:36	 From David Porter : Thanks all. 12:38:38	 From OonaghM : great to join you all today