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Leigh, couple of things today on Wikieducator I thought you might be interested in.

Eloquence has installed an extension to easily get feeds into WikiEducator, see: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:BrentSimpson/Feeds and http://www.wikieducator.org/IRC_Bulletin (+ talk page) for examples of how to use. Also, i've left a note for Eloquence to take a look at this: http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=WikiArticleFeeds_Extension which would allow content from within WikiEducator to be turned into a feed, thus allowing other aggregators, platforms, etc. to import WikiEd content ... which is one step closer to what we were talking about the other day. brent 00:26, 15 March 2007 (CET)

Both of these extensions are installed on the LearnScope Wiki, Heres a page on my Wiki from back in May, you might want to copy it.

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Otago Poly branding ...

Hey Leigh

The Otago Poly page node and corresponding content development is coming along rather well.

I think you should brand the Otago Poly Node more prominently, for example adding the Poly's logo etc. You're playing a leadership role in NZ moving free content development forward and it would be good to profile your institution a little more.

Let me have a short sentence ("strap line") about your initiative because I'd like to post a front-page news item on Otago Poly's work.

Cheers --Mackiwg 08:14, 26 May 2007 (CEST)

Thanks Mackiwg, will do. Was thinking to wait for wen we have a little more staff buy in. (only a matter of days now), so that when you profile OP, it will have a bigger impact. Currently we have at least 10 staff doing the tutorials, and then we will see more action in each of the projects.
Also, I think a resolution to the copyright issue is the structure I have proposed. The unit standards are IP of NZ (Crown), the resource pages will likely be RSS feeds where OP content will be hosted off Wikied therefore retaining its CC BY or other status, and the activity pages will be fairly quick to create and possibly have no issue being CC BY SA... at least that's where my tinking is up to on the issue.--Leighblackall 08:30, 26 May 2007 (CEST)
I'll be coming to NZ in August and am planning to hold meetings with NZQA. As holders of the copyright (NZ Crown) they could potentially release Unit Standards as CC-BY-SA or CCy-BY depending on their prefrence. Lets work together on this one. We also have a MOU with the South African Qualifications Authority - so maybe we can progress an international framework for chainsaw operators <smile>. --Mackiwg 09:21, 26 May 2007 (CEST)


Great! and August is when OP will have its new IP Policy out. Hopefully before then, but that's the deadist dead line. So I hope you can make it down to Dunedin and give us all a CoL pat on the back ;) Actually, by then we should be well under way with Otago Poly OER, many on WikiEd so there could be lots to celebrate in NZ by August. :) --Leighblackall 09:42, 27 May 2007 (CEST)

What happens to a page when content is deleted

Leigh,

It's possible to delete content from a page - but only bureaucrats have priveledges to actually delete pages from the database.

I'm happy to give you bureaucrat status on WikiEducator - assuming you're comfortable with that. Standard protocols associated with the web of trust apply.

Cheers --Mackiwg 01:04, 30 May 2007 (CEST)

No worries.. I'm not sure I'd ever delete any page actually, but I'm curious to know what is involved in the Bureacrat status. That test page was to do with a conversation going on here at teh Polytech about when we need to orphan pages in the creation process... I was curious to see what happened myself :)

Collapsible boxes

Module 1 of WikiEducator Tutorial in collapsible form: User:BrentSimpson/Collapsible_Boxes brent 10:59, 30 May 2007 (CEST)

Image attribution

By chance I was checking out one of your pages.

Amazing choice of images -

Do we have more details on the attribution for http://www.wikieducator.org/Image:Access.jpg

I inserted the FA template on one of the earlier images on this page - but got stuck on the next one, not being sure of author, license etc.

Cheers --Mackiwg 08:12, 2 July 2007 (CEST)

Hi Wayne, they are images created by a staff member at Otago University, who is working on the Digital Information Literacy project with us. The project content is CC BY (though its not obvious). Personally, I don't think I will continue to use the images.. but I will follow up on these images anyway - if you would like to keep them on wikieducator.--Leighblackall 03:45, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

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LQT Conspiracy Theories (1)

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I'm not usually into conspiracy theories... But would Erik and/or MediaWiki have a stake in slowing the success of WikiEducator? Particularly given the existance of Wikiversity? And do you think LQT could be slowing the collaborative success of WE?

Hmmmm...

I don't think that there's a conspiracy to slow the success of Wikieducator, but I do think that LQT is slowing the collaborative aspects of Wikied greatly. For example, i'm replying to you right now from my watchlist of messages page ... and i have no idea in what context, on what page, this is being asked. LQT kills KISS.

Yes, this is where I also find my LQT discussions... And they don't seem to show up consistently... Let's hope Erik figures it all out, cause he doesn't seem to listen very well to user requests.

Cheers,

You know, conspiracy theories like this don't exactly make me want to volunteer more time for WikEd. We've had detailed discussions about LQT on the mailing list, and the priorities for development have been directly informed by the feedback we've got - which is, frankly, limited in detail and specificity. For example, the issue of the workflow for new messages has never even been brought to my attention. I can't magically infer what improvements you want to see.

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I think one of the improvements we wanted to see was the ability to have a tabbed approach... And as a group of educated and very experienced educators and systems developers your response to us is we didn't know what we were talking about and provided what I perceived as rhetoric... please refer back to the group discussion thread (http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/browse_thread/thread/846628e4111a1e42?hl=en). As a software engineer and the 7th most productive WE contributor I'd be very interested in reviewing the specifications being used to detail the current set of LQT fixes and enhancements.

Erik, I believe you have a strong and healthy ego, so I'm sure you can take a little constructive feedback in stride...

Sincerely,

And I missed all this action going on in my talk page!! I just happened to click in here to see what I had missed over the months, and here it is.. not just this recent thread either! Perhaps I rely on email alerts all too much!

Erik, I don't know a lot about what you do, but I'll accept what others say when they say you do a lot and that your work for Wikied is important. I don't think the introduction, testing, acceptance of feedback, or communication around LQT has been your proudest moment so far. I'm a little dismayed to say the least at your dismissal of James, Brent, Peter, Steve, myself and others when we lobbied for LQT to be either removed a developed elsewhere, or for a tab option to be added to enable functional discussion on the wiki. I can't appreciate the way LQT was introduced (but that's history), and obviously it is seriously dysfunctional, and the way our concerns have been addressed is pretty ordinary to date. I thought the tab suggestion was a reasonable compromise between you wanting to continue development and testing, and us wanting reliable discussion pages. The usability argument just doesn't fly mate!

I imagine its tough for you being a volunteer/administrator/MW developer/Wikied-host, all in one. Those roles must get confusing. I know it is confusing for me when I consider in what capacity I communicate with you on matters to do with Wikied and what is acceptable communication from you. Here in this thread you adopt the role of volunteer when you say You know, conspiracy theories like this don't exactly make me want to volunteer more time for WikEd, but on the mailing list you're a developer when you address our concerns and argue for retaining LQT, and Wayne speaks of you as an administrator of the Wikied. On your profile you are primarily interested in other wiki projects with your only stated interest in Wikied being the provision of hosting services for it, and I guess you are paid something for that service. All this, plus your general approach to communication with us, inevitably leads some of us to frustration with honestly not knowing who we are communicating with. You have a lot of control over the way the WIkied runs Erik, and ultimately the way its community develops and functions. It seems to me, in light of that power, you will need to distinguish your roles more so we don't get confused and concerned, and so you don't inadvertently cross a line in conflicting interests.

The question about my role in WikEd is reasonable and I can understand the confusion. Since taking a job with WMF in January, I consider myself a "transitional hosting provider" for the wiki. I've not charged COL for any services other than for the server cost for a long time, and have tried to help out where I can as a volunteer. Wayne is transitioning to a new hosting arrangement, and I have given two volunteers from the WikEd community (Wen Chen and Jim Tittsler) full administrative access to the server.

As I've said before, if the community decides through any process to turn off LQT, that's its decision to make and implement: it has both the ability and the volunteer resources to do so. As we've made continual improvements since September 1, it continues to be my position as a volunteer and advisor that WikEd would be best served by helping to collect and resolve the key reservations regarding LQT, even if it decides to disable the technology at this point.

It seems clear to me that of all available technologies to build an easy-to-use discussion system for wiki newbies, LQT is by far the furthest along, and is the most likely to actually meet the needs of a community that is not dominated by technical users.

Erik,

Thank-you for this clarification.

Could you please make the specification (requirement) documents of the improvements you have made since September 1st available to me, or point me toward the repository where they can be found. I would like to document WE needs regarding LQT in a specification format that you are familiar with. I created a user story in a related post (http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/msg/39b0e4c36be90f7b?hl=en), but I am uncertain if you are familiar with Agile approaches.

I honestly believe that a tabbed approach is the best compromise and a specification (user story) describing this may be a good place to start.

Sincerely,

Peter and Leigh,

mmmm not sure that this is a productive discussion --- because not all the facts are on the table.

First, Erik has been an amazing pillar of support in getting WikiEducator to where it is today. I know of at least two occasions these past two months were Erik has stepped in to help out in mission critical reboots of the WE server (in the middle of the night). I contact Erik and he responds immediately to mission critical stuff, free of charge. That's beyond the call of duty. Our community has benefited in uncountable ways from Erik's extensive experience in open community models -- and I can assure you that his advice and support have accelerated WE's success by an order of magnitude. I confirm that the only costs COL has incurred in running WE since joining WMF have been the physical hosting costs of the server.

I also confirm that the hosting services provided by Jim and Wen Chen have been provided free of charge -- you have no idea of the levels of technical support the WE project receives from the gifting culture of many individuals. If we continue to criticise good intentions and contributions from our community -- we're a project in trouble.

Many of the refinements and work the team have been doing on LQT have not been implemented on the WikiEducator server because we are running an older version of the Mediawiki software. I take full responsibility for this, as I have instructed Jim and Wen to hold back on the updates to the server until I have clarity on a reliable hosting service for phase 2 hosting. I took this decision in the best interests of the future of WikiEducator, because I did not want to create future cost dependencies for a project which is moving into a new era. Gee I look forward to the Council because then they can take the wrap for decisions I've been forced to take on my own. The contracting processes used at international agencies are complex and there are a raft of contract related issues that need to be resolved with the migration of a project the size of WE. While these decisions take time, COL has been most supportive in finding the right solution.

So I do apologise for these teething problems in migrating to a new future. But so far, I'm the one carrying the load on top of all my other responsibilities. I ask for your understanding, support and help while we get all this detail sorted.

Cheers

Wayne,

Thanks for all this clarification. I guess it all means that phase 2 hosting is near the top of your list?!?. Any time frame for phase 2 going live? As it would seem that may positive steps for WE are being held back by our current hosting situation...

As for productivity, it's never been so clear to me that I need to advocate for a tabbed approach once the new hosting is in place.

Thanks again...

Hi Peter --


Believe me -- Phase 2 hosting is on the top of my list (along with 10 other things :-( ).

Next week I'm going to progress our discussions with Athabasca Uni -- who have offered to host the servers. I need to get a final decision on the actual boxes and then quotes for leasing. Not too straight forward -- because AU have offered us use of their storage systems (as opposed to RAID) and we need to figure this out. The next step is drafting contracts of the leasing, which is complicated by the fact that after 1 May these contracts need to be transferred to the new entity.

Assuming we can get contracts out within 2 weeks (optimistic), take delivery time into account plus the time Jim & Wen need to set up the servers --- depending on their availability would give you some idea of time line.

Cheers Wayne

Very awesome to read this Wayne!!

Let me know if you ever need a Canadian contact to take "responsibilities" for this. I'd be happy to liaise with AU...

Cheers,

←In reply to LQT Conspiracy Theories (4) by Eloquence, above:

Kind of telling wouldn't you say that so much of the discussion re: LQT takes place on the 'mailing list' rather than on the wiki, so that rather than being organized around a central page on LQT they're lost in inboxes all over the world. The proliferation of such lists coincides with the implementation of LQT.

←In reply to LQT Conspiracy Theories (1) by Prawstho, above:

Absolutely! If that's what it takes to get this horrid software off the wiki! we should scream out conspiracy :) I still can't work it out... I still don't get emails.. I only now get a "New Mesages" box at the top of the wiki, that has brought me to this LONG list of messages I knew nothing about.. I'm hitting reply on them, but I have no trust/idea if they are reaching the person!

I don't actually get notifications of new messages when I log on to WE. This is partly why I have kept away from LQ with my students. They seem to get notifications on the top of the page when they log on. I went to the trouble of setting up an alter-ego logon to send myself messages to test this out and confirmed that despite sending messages to my typical user name, I don't get a notification. I feel somewhat vindicated although not pleased to see the list of distinguished Wikieducators similarly frustrated. In the interest of balance, this issue is probably my only significant point of frustration for me on WE. In general this grand adventure is treating my students and I quite well. dmccabe 14:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sustainability question (1)

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Hi Leigh,

I hope you didn't mind me tucking the classroom contract thing in under the sustainability banner; seemed like a fit that would not detract from your goals. Let me know if it's out of place: Sustainability/Classroom_contracts.

dmccabe 14:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Greetings from Vancouver (20)

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Hi Leigh,

Great work on the Tuvalu workshop so far --- keep it up!

I've posted a personal message on each users talk page -- thanks for your support in turning this workshop into a success, notwithstanding a few forced lobsters in Suva :-)

Cheers Wayne

Hello (283)

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Hello Leigh I am Dr. Manisha Jain , a new wikieducator right now trying to learn new things on wiki. I came across ur page and was impressed the way u have added videos to it. I followed the way u have done it and tried to upload a video on my web page. Though I picked up the syntex for uploading video from ur page, and it has worked also, honestly I could not understand the details of syntex in it. wat does rss, max 10 refer to there. Will u please help me out in this

Manisha

You got to come ski in British Columbia!!!! (1)

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Leigh,

My wife Lisa and I have considerable time in the backcountry of BC. If you find youself here again I would be more than encouraged to show you some of the splendor... Just as long as you like the up as much as the down... And you don't mind bagging a couple of peaks on the way -big massive smile-.

Cheers,

Sure thing Peter! I dream of the day and I like the up almost as much as the down :) Especially if I can take my time and take in the views. Thanks for the offer, I REALLY hope I can get back to BC in the Winter --Leighblackall 06:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Your fix of my user page (1)

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Hi Leigh

Thanks for fixing my unwitting mistake in not associating project brief with my user page - unintentional!

TX and regards

Joris @ SchoolNet

Licensing (2)

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FYI, see User:Leighblackall/Talk#Licensing. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 08:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Categories & Templates (1)

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FYI, see the talk page of the Blogging Handbook about use of templates and categories. Unfortunately, I can't provide a direct link because it seems of a LQT bug that can't handle ampersands in the title of a thread post. In brief, there is no need for use of Template: at the start of a transclusion. Plus there is no need for the page name unless you're wanting to use parameters, in which it needs to be separated by a |. By removing the page names from your transclusions, all your pages for the Blogging Handbook would be automatically now categorised since I've inserted categories into the template.

IP policy (1)

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See Talk:Otago Polytechnic/Intellectual property. Jtneill 11:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Outdoor Education (1)

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ok...4th time lucky trying to post this...(maybe it didn't want hyperlinks in the subject line??)... just wanted to let you know about wikibooks:Outdoor Education; feel free to contribute; new book. Jtneill 02:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Leigh (1)

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Adding Collbaroative Videos to your Wiki (1)

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Hello,


My name is Avigail Perl and I work with all our Wiki partners here at Kaltura. As you may have heard, through a partnership with the Wikimedia Foundation, Kaltura has developed a collaborative video extension to the MediaWiki software. (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Collaborative_Video)


What this means is that ANY site using MediaWiki software can add the Kaltura collaborative video extension to its wiki easily and quickly today, by adding the software extension that is available for download. Looking at your Wiki I thought you might be interested in adding our new collaborative video extension. With this capability, any of your users can add images, videos and sounds to the collaborative videos created, or edit them using the full-featured online video editor (with full history and versioning similar to the text-wiki).


In order to add this collaborative video extension to you site, all you need to do is:

1. Apply for a Partner ID here: http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/cms/signup

2. Download the Kaltura MediaWiki extension here: sourceforge.net/projects/kaltura/

3. Add the extension to your site


I’d love to discuss this in more detail, answer any questions and help move this forward.

Thank you,

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Nice improvement on the WIP (1)

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Leigh,

Nice improvement on the WIP template -- its not so imposing now and communicates better.

Thanks mate.

W

Open educational resources and practices discussion (1)

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Leigh: Didn't this page: http://www.wikieducator.org/Open_educational_resources_and_practices, use to have quiet a rich discussion going on? Did it get lost in the great Liquid Threads migration (which I'm liking less and less lateley.. bring back the old talk pages!) or where the old comments on a draft page of that?

Ha , yes, on the draft page discussion

Bad link (1)

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on Horticulture. recognition of prior learning link goes to blank page.

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