Thread:This crazy idea (16)

Cool re article - I want to see it. Funny re shutter I was just going to ask if you have had a play. Shouldn't it be Otago TO Otara? Yeh - wondered about this but thought it would be good to have it as a mix?

sorry - somehow i managed to lose the formatting of the headings and now I cant see the edit button ... can you work your magic and fix it? isn't collaboration FUN???

here is a moe def of decile 1 http://www.minedu.govt.nz/NZEducation/EducationPolicies/Schools/SchoolOperations/Resourcing/OperationalFunding/Deciles/DecilesInformation.aspx

I have dropped the screen capture software off - it complicates things as firstly it will involve too many others to make it work and will be dependant on you and I knowing how to run it - I think what we both record will be satisfactory. I am thinking about an on line collaborative google doc attached to the wiki page - one that the kids can pose questions and answers pics etc There will be your class blog and also this wiki..... Also so what - kids in your class can setup and run an open source computer - what does that prove and how do we then apply this learning...do we wait and see or draw conclusions beforehand? How do we apply thier learning?

yep fair questions (in a Lane Clark kind of way)? Still pondering them but at this stage I do not want to draw conclusions beforehand. But I will assume that quality learning will take place. They will be the ones that can articulate that though if we are 'letting go'. Aren't we also seeing what will happen _after_ they have installed the software?

I do still like the idea of screen capture but you are right there is enough to be going on with in the meantime...

Yeh glad you can see logic - ultimately what is it we are expecting to see from this process - I think this need a heading i.e expectations...

Okay - feeling the need for some too and fro dialogue on this one - Let's get back to the hole in the wall argument and see what it is exactly that the kids can achieve by collaborating and sharing ideas. I'm expecting that we will see similar results to the hole in the wall (i.e. they self teach via the assistance of each other). I am hoping to see some regional and cultural collaboration between our two groups (you know how the kids in the hole in the wall picked up English?) well maybe the Otara kids will get some Otago dialect and vice versa :) Also will my kids acquire the technical jargon of Linux?  Will you notice changes in the language your kids acquire in a bloggy sense?

I am sure we will find something that we would never have expected too because ultimately the kids will be driving

have you seen this? http://sirkenrobinson.com/skr/askskr-question-2-assessing-creativity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63NTB7oObtw&feature=related

Hey this is brilliant - it so fits with what we are doing - I took notes and will add to this page. Creativity.....

yeah cool eh? ignore my title comment i see what you mean now - you meant an expectations heading, now watching those vids i wonder if we could be so bold and do CRITERIA but that freaks me out a little - how do you feel about it?

I added an extra piece at the bottom - title and ideas not quite right but this last video of Sir Ken needs to be added to what e are doing - fitting so well with collaboration and creative thought happening here... IS this how we tie part one to part two???

Cool :) So what is it that WE value? What we value can then be the criteria.  Now if we were to weave the enviroethical stuff through (as a value) that will nicely link us into section 2.  And ubuntu as a philosophy does this as well.  I'm already seeing this through the collaborative teaching using your wiki and our "where is it from" stuff.  For example anecdotes such as a parent asked a kid to do something for them and she muttered something about 'child labour' (that's pretty cool language and concept acquisition).  BUT then at the same time, I also value the technical skills that could potentially be acquired and I think we need both. Man you are deep thinker - what we value - Freedom? very cool anecdote - concept aquisition - creativity - collaboration - learning as a self sustaining organism. Is there many values - monetary -  NZ made idea, extra life from retired computers, value creativity? - understand and teach it? Value remote communities - ability for resilience, own locale identity value. Ubuntu is free software yeh the - Value - envirethical curriculum - clear consiousness.. linked to why schools should use free software??

I think it will be a better anecdote when a child refuses (or questions) chocolate given to him/her. That's what my expectations are - that kind of change...

Yes - so the criteria is something like: (part 1) Children collaborate and self teach (learn as a self-sustaining organism Blogging installing etc) Children self-evaluate their and their peers progress via the use of webcam (for part 2) Children develop an increased awareness of where things are from and where they end up? (Eg NZ made - fair trade) Children critically evaluate the decisions made by schools/organisations about software choices and eWaste Children value freedom over money (i.e. i would like the msg to be Ubuntu is great NOT because it doesn't COST money but because it promotes FREEDOM)

Language acquisition from each others locales - i.e Walt - heard the word no idea what it means - the same will be for the kids.. I hope the pupils will make..Halloween interuptions...connections, will they be able to effectivley communicate - will there be barriers to the connection - umm pupils students - is pupil and old term - I used pupils up north??? Oh ha ha! Who are these pupils you speak of - we call them students up here ...

Ubuntu - good to make the distinction of Free as in freedom - there is no eff in proprietary... okay now it's my turn what is eff? effin and blindin - swearing - the eff word.

YES of course they will be able to make connections and my kids are very capable of effective communication - or are you taking the piss? It's hard to tell? I thought pupils were the wee black things in your eye? Seriously tho, it's a bit dated

No just thinking out loud - you and I have dialectical and vocabulary differences yet come from a similar cultural background including being teachers - also you use tools like prezzi twitty and so on - will the differences impact on the collaboration and if so in what way - can we or should we eliminate as many barriers  or do we allow the students to negotiate through them?

Raaaaar! okay I thought that this was exactly what this was about. Kids, pupils, students, will work it out. If they cant they'll ask. My own (biological) kids (SAME background as your school kids) have never had a problem - they adapt, use different language/dialect in different settings. This is the interesting stuff - we're broadening their horizons (Florence Lyons) We're using the technology and the OS to do this. The hole in the wall kids learned english ffs. I'm sure that kids from the same country can sort it out... Woooo now we're cooking

Ok - so thats in the open - I just need to get the technology from my end sorted - do you think we should be articulating our goals as teachers including the reasons - Sugata, Sir Ken + Open Source so the students understand what is behind this idea or do we let them explore using the tools at hand?? hmmmmm good question - I dunno? If you hadn't asked I would have gone for the explore, but now I'm intrigued - what would you like to do? Social Literacy