Talk:Swagg Union Heroes
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- 1 Grammy Performance Apology
- 2 Rosa Parks Lawsuit
- 3 Meanings Behind Rosa Parks
- 4 Hip Hop Albums To Go Diamond
- 5 Ms. Jackson
- 6 Capital "K"?
- 7 10 the Hard Way
- 8 'Hip hop', 'sales', and 'fugees'
- 9 Way too much uncited/unsourced material
- 10 Rumors
- 11 Idlewild included???
- 12 Picture
- 13 Idlewild sells
- 14 Fair use rationale for Image:Aqueminicvr.jpg
- 15 Fair use rationale for Image:Outkast-big-boi-and-dre-present.jpg
- 16 Why is the title Outcast, when the band is clearly Outkast?
- 17 Hey Ya! date requested for front page
- 18 ROSA PARKS
- 19 Mr. DJ
- 20 Move?
- 21 Requested move
Grammy Performance Apology[edit | edit source]
I removed the statement that OutKast had apologized for their 2004 Grammy performance of "Hey Ya!" that was considered racist by some Native American groups. The reference cited  only mentions an apology from CBS, and a web search has turned up nothing about one from the band, except for articles about people continuing to ask for one . Foetusized 12:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Rosa Parks Lawsuit[edit | edit source]
"In 1999, OutKast and LaFace Records were sued by Rosa Parks"
Based on the paragraph that follows it is not clear that Rosa Parks was ever really involved. Insert quote from Dick the butcher in Henry VI Part 2 Act 4, scene 4 71-78. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Meanings Behind Rosa Parks[edit | edit source]
"Other lyrics in the song relating to André meeting a woman on a bus have nothing to do with Parks: rather, they are probably a reference to Erykah Badu (his verse begins, "I met a gypsy and she hipped me to some life game" - Badu is famed for her head-wrap which could arguably be considered the trappings of a "gypsy" look; the verse continues by describing a conversation between André and the "gypsy" in which she sets him thinking about how his "favourite group ain't comin' wid it", which ties directly in to the song's predominant theme about a lack of creativity in mainstream hip hop, something OutKast are here to challenge)."
^^^ I'm more than sure Andre 3000 would be the last person to confuse African head wraps with gypsy clothing (I don't think they wear head wraps, lol). More likely this is just someone's opinion and can't be verified. However, if it can be verified, provide the citation and add it back. Richard Corey 20:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Um, the section about History doesn't make much sense. Can that be clairified?
Hip Hop Albums To Go Diamond[edit | edit source]
If im not mistaken, 2pac "All Eyez on Me", Eminem "Marshall Mathers LP" and Vanilla Ice "To the Extreme", are all hip hop albums ertified diamond but are not listed in the introduction?
- Vanilla Ice sold 11 million, but I'm guessing that's worldwide, because I can't find diamond certification. You are right about the Marshall Mathers LP though, that has been certified platinum. All Eyez on Me hasn't officially been certified diamond, "only" 9 times platinum in 1998, but I'd be willing to make a small wager that it has sold enough in the US to warrant the certification. However, it is not official, hence it shouldn't be mentioned in this context. Same goes for Licence to Ill which was certified 9 times platinum back in 2001. I can see interest in both acts waning, but still being strong enough to sell fair amounts each year. Still, until they are certified, you can't really use them here. --184.108.40.206 19:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Additionally, one of 2Pacs many collections has also achieved the 9*platinum status, so that should be looked at too... --220.127.116.11 19:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC), again.
Ms. Jackson[edit | edit source]
Um, weren't these the guys who did "Ms. Jackson"? If so, seeing it's one of very few songs by black rappers that has been a crossover hit lately, it should be mentioned. --Robert Merkel 01:36 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
- Done. Odd that we still don't have an article on Erykah Badu, though. Gaps in wikipedia pop up periodically. --KQ
The link at the end of the entry seems to be dead as of right now, I found a copy hosted @ rockthevote.com, (http://www.rockthevote.com/multimedia/candidates/clark.artv.affl.150k.mov), but I don't know how long that sort of thing will stay hosted there, until the end of the primaries, until the end of the 2004 election, etc. --AA 22:32 Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)
Anyone else think the Wes Clark story is a bit dated? CB
Capital "K"?[edit | edit source]
No its OutKast
I just went out to the car and perused the liner notes for both Southernplayalisticaddilacmuzik and Aquemini (my copy of ATLiens is MIA). The group was officially founded as "OutKast" with the capital "K". Both spellings (captiol "K" and small "k") have been used officially since then: Andre and Big Boi tend to spell it with the capital "K", while the label tends to spell it with the lower-case "k" (BOTH spellings appear in the Aquemini liner notes). In addition, they're listed as "OutKast", not "Outkast", at both mtv.com and allmusic.com. --FuriousFreddy 03:59, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The ATLiens cover says OutKast. I always liked the lowercase "k" better, but since I checked it out, I adjusted. (Rishi B 19:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC))
Should all instances of "Outkast" be changed to "OutKast" in the article or since as mentioned by FuriousFreddy, both spellings occur in a single album's liner notes, just leave the somewhat random use of "Outkast" and "OutKast" throughout the article? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
10 the Hard Way[edit | edit source]
I removed the 10 the Hard Way information, because I scoured the web and came to the conclusion that it really doesn't exist. Obviously, it isn't going to be released tomorrow - the line in question had its release date stated as June 10th. Anyone have any concrete, up to date info on a new OutKast album, other than the HBO soundtrack? --Gumbo T 20:52, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Then you must not have searched hard enough. It is their upcoming album's name. Please read MTV's MTV.com: 2005: A Look Ahead: One of the albums is a soundtrack to the Prohibition-era musical, and Big Boi has referred to the second, 10 the Hard Way, as a return-to-roots record, due in June. I'm reverting back to the previous revisions and blanking an article is consider vandalism. (referring to your blanking of someone's "10 the Hard Way" article if you don't like a certain article. Please refer to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. Thank you. --Chill Pill Bill 20:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Also, I reverting back the deletion of "My Life in Idlewild" because it seems will still be called that according to IMDB which is reliable.  --Chill Pill Bill 20:59, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I yanked the 10 the Hard Way information because the supposed release date is upon us with nary a promotion to be seen from anywhere. I considered the MTV info to be out of date, given this...anyway, good call, keeping the reference but leaving the release unspecified is a smarter idea.--Gumbo T 21:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
10 The Hard Way is scheduled to be released on August 23rd.
Oh, my gosh, 10 THE HARD WAY EXISTS! IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE RELEASED, BUT OUTKAST USUALLY MISSES THEIR DUE RELEASE DATES
The funny thing is that outkast already has the movie and the albums pretty much finished. They posted Dec. 2005 as a realease date for the album "Idlewild" on their official website. Then I read somwhere online it should be out befor april 06. I'm typing this in MAy and we havent seen it. I would not post release dates on an encyclopedia from unreliable web info and big boi talking about new stuff, because these sources are unreliable. We know these projects are in existance, but we dont know the release date. Let me copy and paste someting above to prove my point:10 The Hard Way is scheduled to be released on August 23rd. If anyone has any real information, please post it. --- April 22,2006
'Hip hop', 'sales', and 'fugees'[edit | edit source]
anyone else confused about the opening lines? The fugees are cited as the other biggest selling 'hip hop' artist, but arent counted as 'hip hop' when the album sales come around. They sold 18 million copies of 'the score' which is more than 'diamond' (10 million), so I can only assume it wasnt considered 'hip hop'.
- The Score only sold six million copies in America, making it a six-times platinum album according to the RIAA. --FuriousFreddy 07:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
- And globally? 22.214.171.124 16:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- RIAA certifications only count US sales. --FuriousFreddy 03:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
What do sales have to do with cultural classification? The Fugees are hip hop just as Outkast are hip hop. Richard Corey 18:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Way too much uncited/unsourced material[edit | edit source]
I'm sure some of the marked comments can be verified, but need to have citations indicating what album ranking they appeared on, but much of what I marked is obvious POV, and needs to be removed or cited by reliable sources.---Jackel 18:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Somebody thought there should be a citation by the Stankonia section saying it was released to excellent reviews. But if you go to the Stankonia page, you can see seven reviews from respected sources, all of them very high. --Freepablo 07:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I had added that, and have now removed it. Thanks. ---Jackel 15:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Rumors[edit | edit source]
Haven't they're been rumors about the group splitting up? I'm sure there's some source that officially makes this claim.--Torourkeus 22:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually Big Boi clears this up way back in "The way you move" on the Speakerboxxx album right at the beginning of the song. He says "Not clashin' not at all but see my n**** want to do a little actin." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Idlewild included???[edit | edit source]
Idlewild shows that Outkast is no longer rumored to be splitting up. Yet no mention of the album or the movie is being made. could someone more versed in wikipedia make this change? 188.8.131.52 16:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Picture[edit | edit source]
The picture currently on the page is supposed to have been deleted, so I found a new picture from npr.com and asked for permission to post it for one year. Just thought I'd leave this as a note to anyone having a problem with the current picture. Wikipedia's False Prophet holla at me Improve Me 01:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Idlewild sells[edit | edit source]
- Someone decided to mess with this and state "Outkast, 'one hit wonder' etc....". Let me be the first to say, they are not, and never were a one hit wonder. They have done more for the rap game than anyone else out there. Period.
- While certainly not a 'one hit wonder' by my standards (I'm a fan), with a bold statement like They have done more for the rap game than anyone else out there followed by the arrogance of Period, you'll need to define 'done.' Public Enemy, for example, has 'done' at LEAST as much for hip-hop as OutKast. wbm (talk) 06:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Aqueminicvr.jpg[edit | edit source]
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Why is the title Outcast, when the band is clearly Outkast?[edit | edit source]
Can anyone explain this one to me? A wiki search of Outkast redirects to "Outcast (band)" which is stupid because it should be the other way around...
Smkohnstamm 04:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey Ya! date requested for front page[edit | edit source]
ROSA PARKS[edit | edit source]
Rosa Louise McCauley Parks (February 4, 1913 – October 24, 2005) was an African American civil rights activist whom the U.S. Congress later called "Mother of the Modern-Day Civil Rights Movement".
ROSA PARKS WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 1,1913.DECEMBER 1,1995 IN MONGOMERY,ALABAMA,ROSA PARKS REFUSED TO OBEY BUS DRIVER JAMES BLAK'S ORDER THAT SHE GAVE UP HER SEAT TO MAKE ROOM FOR A WHITE PASSENGER.Her action was not the first of its kind: Irene Morgan, in 1946, and Sarah Louise Keys, in 1955, had won rulings before the Supreme Court and the Interstate Commerce Commission respectively in the area of interstate bus travel. But unlike these previous individual actions of civil disobedience, Parks' action sparked the Montgomery Bus Boycott. This movement turned Parks into an international icon of resistance to racial segregation and launched boycott leader Martin Luther King, Jr. to national prominence in the civil rights movement. Parks eventually received honors ranging from the 1979 Spingarn Medal to a posthumous statue in the United States Capitol's National Statuary Hall.
At the time of her action, Parks was secretary of the Montgomery chapter of the NAACP and had recently attended the Highlander Folk School, a Tennessee center for workers' rights and racial equality. Nonetheless, she took her action as a private citizen "tired of giving in". Although widely honored in later years for her action, she also suffered for it, losing her job as a seamstress in a local department store. Eventually, she moved to Detroit, Michigan, where she found similar work. From 1965 to 1988 she served as secretary and receptionist to African-American U.S. Representative John Conyers. After retirement from this position, she wrote an autobiography and lived a largely private life in Detroit. In her final years she suffered from dementia and became embroiled in a lawsuit filed on her behalf against American hip-hop duo OutKast. Her death was a front-page story in the United States' leading newspapers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Mr. DJ[edit | edit source]
Please stop removing Mr. DJ from the list of members. He's the group's DJ, has been with the group and continues to be with the group both as DJ and producer since the first album. I'm not sure what qualifications you are using for "members" but if contributing musically to the creation of the group is the standard, then he should be listed. He's not an associated act. If this status has changed with the new album coming out, then he needs to be a "former member." If not, please leave him in the list. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Our qualifications are that a reliable outside source, like a magazine or newspaper, states that a person is a member. If you can find that source, it won't be reverted. --wL<speak·check>
Wow. You guys are seriously wrong. I mean, he's a part of the group. Quick! Go remove DJ Premiere from the Gangstarr page. And make sure you take Eric B. out of the Rakim page. Let's marginalize the entire DJ contribution to hip hop altogether. Great job, wikipedia. Never mind that I'm absolutely 100% correct and that the liner notes back me up (pick up Southernplayalistic for instance, or ATLiens to see what I mean). You're certainly correct and I am not. Outkast only has two members. What was "Wheelz of Steel" about again? It doesn't matter. Who produced a bunch of songs on several albums and has been with the guys since day one? It doesn't matter apparently. Color me impressed with your collective ignorance. Say... here's a crazy idea. One day, sit down and actually READ the liner notes from their albums. Why are there three people giving shout outs on the first record? Why are there photos of three people in the second one? Hmmm... Now, excuse me. I've got to go remove Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers page. Who cares what a bassist does anyway... 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh... and make sure you remove his membership from the "Mr. DJ" page. Apparently whoever wrote that is laboring under the same well-informed delusion I am. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
In fact, let's read his page:
"Raised on the southside of College Park, Georgia, Mr. DJ entered the music industry as a DJ for Atlanta-based hip-hop group OutKast. After touring with the group for a year, he began to focus more on production rather then deejaying. By sharpening his beat making skills, Mr. DJ got the opportunity to help produce OutKast's 1996 sophomore album ATLiens. He later formed Earthtone 3 production group with Andre 3000 & Big Boi. Collectively, they produced roughly 90 percent of all the OutKast albums, except the groups first album, Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, produced entirely by Organized Noize. In additon, Mr. DJ continued to DJ on every OutKast album, except Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, which he mostly produced. To date, his most notable hits include "Da Art of Storytellin'", "Bombs Over Baghdad," and "Ms. Jackson." He is also a part of the Atlanta-based hip-hop/R&B/soul musical collective The Dungeon Family.
Mr. DJ has won two Grammy Awards, one in 2002 for Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "Ms. Jackson", and another in 2004 for Rap Album of the Year for his work on OutKast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. In 2008, he started his own label, Camp David Records, with several new artists including Chinkie Brown and Shawty Redd. Public Relations Associate Keith Kemp was quoted as saying:
“ Camp David will be recognized as the premiere record label in music, as Mr. DJ and his artists produce cutting edge material that will cross cultural boundaries and send music to an unchartered level."
I'm really struggling to imagine how you can read that and think he's not a member of the group. Do they give a grammy to "Best Rap Group" to people who are not in the group all the time or was this just an exception? Seriously... please, explain it to me. I want to understand where this narrow-minded foolishness is coming from. I'm putting him back in. Stop taking him out. Or take out everything from his page that indicates he is a member just for the sake of wikipedia's continuity. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)