Talk:OER Handbook/educator/Find/General repositories

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Thread titleRepliesLast modified
"open license to least open license"116:49, 25 June 2008
CC-BY-NC or CC-BY-SA116:23, 25 June 2008
Do we need a table or info on licensing?616:14, 25 June 2008
OER Commons107:06, 15 June 2008
All rights reserved?107:06, 15 June 2008

"open license to least open license"

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Last edit: 16:49, 25 June 2008

May we reword

These categories are arranged from most open license to least open license.

to

These license categories are arranged from least to most restrictive.

and consider the following ordering:

PD CC-BY CC-BY-SA GFDL CC-BY-NC CC-BY-NC-SA

If we were using a "freedom" scale, CC-BY-SA and GNU FDL would come before CC-BY (as they protect the freedom of users of derived works).

I notice at least one CC-BY-ND (under "CC-BY-NC or CC-BY-SA")

Ktucker (talk)15:39, 25 June 2008

>>May we reword "These license categories are arranged from least to most restrictive. "

Change made.

>>PD CC-BY CC-BY-SA GFDL CC-BY-NC CC-BY-NC-SA

I think this change can be made. I will make some edits today.

Sgurell (talk)16:30, 25 June 2008
 

CC-BY-NC or CC-BY-SA

If CC-BY-SA is to be lumped with anything, it should be GNU FDL.

Ktucker (talk)05:03, 25 June 2008

I understand and agree with the general direction. However, I'm reluctant to lump GNU FDL because of compatibility issues. More on this with "open license to least open license" thread.

Sgurell (talk)16:23, 25 June 2008
 

Do we need a table or info on licensing?

Seth,

I wondering whether or not we should include information on the licensing of the different repositories so as to distinguish between the free cultural works approved and "non-approved" sites ....

Cheers Wayne

Mackiwg (talk)02:26, 9 April 2008

Wayne,

That's a great point. When I was adding Thinkfinity yesterday I was a little concerned that the differences in licensing would not be apparent without a more careful reading. I am a little stuck on the best way to present the licensing information. In my mind there are a few different options:

  1. Use a binary free cultural works approved/non-approved flag
  2. Some sort of coding (icons, color, etc.) along the four freedoms as defined at freedomdefined.org.
  3. List the license and rely on the licensing section to help clarify the distinctions.

I think the kind of licensing information we want to display will determine whether or not we want to keep it in a list or put it in a table.

I also think I'm going to write a blog post and ask for additional feedback.

Sincerely,

Seth

Sgurell (talk)19:08, 9 April 2008

perhaps a page colour index. Red for all rights reserved. Orange for CC NC etc. Yellow for GPL and Share Alike. Green for CC By. and rainbows for Public Domain :)

Leighblackall (talk)10:07, 12 April 2008
 

I like the addition of licensing info, but it may be worth noting somewhere that most of these repositories include materials licensed under a variety of licenses and that individual items should be consulted. (As an example, many of these repositories include lots of stuff that is not open at all, because, I suppose, people don't understand OER.)

Kfasimpaur (talk)23:37, 20 April 2008

I've added a few sentences addressing before the listings begin (though I'm not 100% happy about how I've phrased it on the first try). I'll respond to the openness issue in the All Rights Reserved? thread.

Sgurell (talk)17:12, 22 April 2008

Agree with Seth's point 3 above (i.e. refer to the licensing section for explanations).

The coding and colour schemes are also good ideas which could be used on this page (and other pages listing resources).

Personally, I would prefer tables with a column for licensing which could contain a colour-coded icon/symbol/label etc.

Structuring the types of repositories in other ways (and ordering sections accordingly) is tricky.

Ideally, we should think of the educator-reader and the most typical usage scenario which could suggest the order of criteria?

Profile the educator:

  • Subject area (e.g. I am a physics teacher looking for ...)
    • Educational level (e.g. K-12 materials ...)
      • Something ready-made and complete (e.g. OCW full course, text book, reading materials, ...)
      • Something to incorporate or adapt (finer-grain) (e.g. image or other media file)

Licensing (like file formats and quality) is an important cross-cutting concern, but this is about finding resources.

This thought may have implications for the ordering of the sections:

Consider:

  1. Find your own resources
  2. Subject Based repositories:
    • Science repositories
    • Social science repositories
    • Humanities repositories
  3. General (OER) repositories
  4. Search Engines
  5. Open textbooks
  6. Individual project sites

This would work if the reality was that specialised repositories (i.e. by subject and edu level) are a better place to start than using general search engines.

(and many of the "general" repositories are aggregations of specialist areas - OCW, Wikiversity, ...)

So, at this point I do not have a strong opinion, but would be interested in what anyone else thinks. (Suggestion of something to consider for future editions?

Ktucker (talk)05:00, 25 June 2008

>>The coding and colour schemes are also good ideas which could be used on this page (and other pages listing resources).

The coloring scheme could be implemented in this edition, but I will have to see what time is left. Putting everything in a table may also be possible.

>>(and many of the "general" repositories are aggregations of specialist areas - OCW, Wikiversity, ...)

I agree to a certain extent. Yes, OCW and Wikiversity can be separated out into different course areas. However, some, like Kaltura or Flickr, can't be easily separated and necessitates a "general" listing.

>>Ideally, we should think of the educator-reader and the most typical usage scenario which could suggest the order of criteria? >>Profile the educator:

...

I've added this suggestion to future edition suggestions page, as I don't think we'll have time to implement it (I also have some misgivings about the approach).

Sgurell (talk)16:14, 25 June 2008
 
 
 
 
 

OER Commons

OER Commons is more of a search engine than a repository. (I added it there before seeing it here.) I don't think they host any content; suggest deleting it here?

Kfasimpaur (talk)23:35, 20 April 2008

Listing deleted. Thank you for adding it to the Search Engine section.

Sgurell (talk)17:08, 22 April 2008
 

All rights reserved?

Why is the section on "all rights reserved" included? Wouldn't this include almost everything educational on the Internet that's not OER? Too big of list! (Also, fyi, I understand that TeacherTube is adding and open license option. I'll continue to monitor this.)

Kfasimpaur (talk)23:40, 20 April 2008

It's good to know that TeacherTube is adding an open license option. The site was down when I was checked, but by all means, let me know when/if they do.

Creating groups of websites according to licenses is a little tricky. Some of the repositories, such as WikiTeach, outline freedoms that are similar to a particular Creative Commons license, but do not explicitly use it. WeTheTeachers has the following in their terms of service:

"You also hereby grant each user of the WeTheTeachers Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Content through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, download your User Content as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service."

Not exactly a recognized open license, but the freedoms granted have some similarities. Yet it doesn't seem appropriate to put it with CC-BY-SA sites. So I've marked them All Rights Reserved, for lack of a better heading (at least when I wrote it).

Websites like YouTube are only open in the sense that there is no cost to view. You bring up a good point about wanting to remove them. I would like to think some more about what constitutes the bare minimum of open before removing listings.

Sgurell (talk)17:35, 22 April 2008